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tim seasholtz
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posted 08-30-2002 12:39 PM     Profile for tim seasholtz   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Could someone please send me a jpeg of the painting by Fouquet showing the Nativity? I believe it features Charles VII as one of the Magi.
What I need is a picture of brigandine-work arm protection. I think the guards in this painting are wearing such a defense.
Tanc

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AnnaRidley
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posted 09-10-2002 11:32 AM     Profile for AnnaRidley   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I couldn't find the picture you were talking about, but maybe this will help.
http://www.artcyclopedia.com/artists/fouquet_jean.html

Mitake.


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tim seasholtz
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posted 09-10-2002 04:51 PM     Profile for tim seasholtz   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Thanks!
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Jeff Johnson
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posted 09-13-2002 09:33 AM     Profile for Jeff Johnson   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Tanc,

Are you planning on making some of the shoulders the Guards are wearing? Those have been an item of discussion for a while and I'd like to have some too.

BTW, Gonna post pics of your BP here?

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Geoffrey Bourrette
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tim seasholtz
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posted 09-13-2002 11:22 AM     Profile for tim seasholtz   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Indeed I am. I have found a detail in Embletons newer Medieval book. I think I can do it. However, as always, there seems to be many different styles of "brigandine work" shoulder protection.
Tanc
P.S. To see the breastplte ( 90% completed) http://www.cartogra.com/rs/1BC51119-C487-11D6-B42C-0090277A760E/screen

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Gwen
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posted 09-13-2002 04:59 PM     Profile for Gwen   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
You know, I just found the painting you were asking for in the Osprey "English Longbowman" book on page 24.

I think your placart/brig breastplate looks tres cool, but it doesn't look like what the soldiers are wearing in that painting.

I would swear they're wearing spaulders made like a brigandine, splinted vambraces and whacking great couters .

Gwen


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tim seasholtz
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posted 09-13-2002 06:47 PM     Profile for tim seasholtz   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I was mostly curious on the arm protection. I agree they look like spaulders which have been done in a brig style.
My idea for the breastplate comes from a bunch of french manuscripts from the period.

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Jeff Johnson
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posted 09-14-2002 12:57 PM     Profile for Jeff Johnson   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
This is the coolest illustration - one of my favorites & it's one of the reasons I've tried to push our group towards uniformity of gear.

I've a color photo of the plate with a significantly higher level of detail. I'd have scanned it for ya, but my scanner's not working.

The arms are plate. Shaping of arms, couters and legs are very "Avant Armorish".

The body of the garment they are wearing is tri-partied: red on the right, white in the middle and green on the left. The little skirt panels are red, green and white alternating. The entire thing appears to be heavily embroidered, and there seems to be no repeating pattern of studs as we usually see on brigs or what we think are breastplates like Tanc made. The shaping of the garment chest makes it look like it's fited over a breastplate. No closures are visible.

The shoulders are dark brown with gold studs in the pattern we associate with brigs. They MIGHT be regular spaulders with fabric over them, but they come out from the arm a tad. The neck has a mail collar.

Their hose are red. Their gloves are cream-colored. The dagger grips are light brown. The dagger hilts are steel. Sheilds are red with ornate gold trim and steel bosses. Plumes are gren red & white in the middle.

My conjecture is that the garment on the body is a sleeveless, unarmored livery garment worn over a breastplate.

I also think the shoulders are separate brigandine spaulder-ish pieces. They may even encircle the whole of the upper arm. (Big conjecture here). Notice how much of the front of the arm they cover? Spaulders I've seen usually look like they only cover to the centerline of the bicep or so. I'm sitting here fiddling with my spaulders & plate arms and thinking how brig spaulders would give more flexability.

Did you notice how they are ranked? Bowman - spearman - bowman - spearman etc. And the bowmen have the little shields and longer swords to use in melee.

Charles (kneeling) has black boots with dark tan cuffs, gold spurs, red hose and a green doublet with brown fur trim. Love the pleating and shape of the shoulders.

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Geoffrey Bourrette
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Gwen
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posted 09-15-2002 02:27 AM     Profile for Gwen   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I'd love to see a 15th C. illo of the breastplate, as I think it looks very sharp.

Gwen


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