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kanzlr
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posted 08-29-2005 08:45 AM

Hi there!

I am in search for good paintings of pilgrims with their staff (15th cent. of course). on the ones i found, its hard to recognize details about the staff, what material the decoration is, etc.

does anybody of you have something for me here?

thanks a lot
-Berny

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gregory23b
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posted 08-29-2005 03:27 PM

Off top of head.

Certain details are specific to pilgrimage, eg Compostella pilgrims had the scallop shell.

Red knops on the staves seemed common.

Anyway
http://www.paulahowarth.com/villa/romei.jpg
http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://users.aol.com/butrousch/augustine/sprinkl.gif&imgrefurl=http://users.aol.com/butrousch/augustine/journey.htm&h=200&w=320&sz=6&tbnid= 01cJ9w_t4l4J:&tbnh=70&tbnw=113&hl=en&start=60&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dmedieval%2Bpilgrims%26start%3D40%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26sa%3DN

Pilgrims and Pilgrimage in the Medieval West by Webb, Diana, published by I. B. Tauris & Company 2001
Ł14.99 paperback 1860646492
Recommended. Used from 01-Oct-2004 to 30-Jan-2005

but more useful
http://images.google.co.uk/images?q=medieval+pilgrim&btnG=Search&svnum=10&hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1

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kanzlr
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posted 08-30-2005 03:50 AM

thanks for your reply!
i already searched google, but on none of the pics is a hint of what material the knob/rings are. or the shell for that matter

wood? brass? if they are red, i think painted wood...

at least the lenght of the staff can be guessed on most pics.

red? hmmm...

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gregory23b
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posted 08-30-2005 05:04 AM

No because like most original pics do not explain the make up of things. However a dead pilgrim dug up in England a couple of years ago had a wooden stick with a knop, which was part of the stick and it appeared to be dyed red. With what, I do not recall but Brazil is a good dyestuff and red paint is also readily available.

Your best bet is to get a reliable book which has done the leg work, ie reading up the various tracts etc.

Good luck and don't forget to post it up.

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kanzlr
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posted 08-30-2005 05:32 AM

i just ordered the book you recommended from amazon

well, i hoped for a painting with a high enough photorealistic quality to help in guessing
those black and white pencil like drawings do give a hint on the shape, but nothing more.

thanks a lot for your help! at least i have a starting point now!

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