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Topic: 15thC Metal Jugs
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Jace
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posted 03-30-2005 12:52 AM
   
Hi ALl,Just a quick question, where can i buy a proper metal jug? i am looking at mid-late 15thC northern europe. -------------------- Jace
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Martin
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posted 03-30-2005 01:20 PM
Hi Jace,
the best chances for what you are looking for are in antique shops in Switzerland. Modern replicas are as far as I have seen wrong in shape. Costrells or pewter jugs in those Swiss shops cost around 80 Swiss franks. They are cheaper than what is being offered as so called replicas.
Although those antiques are not 15th century. They are 19th century, made during this so called "neo-gothic" fashion period, but the shapes and make are exactly like the 15th century ones you can see in various museums, so you neednīt woory about them being 19th century.Martin -------------------- Verpa es, qui istuc leges. Non es fidenter scripto!
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chef de chambre
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posted 03-30-2005 07:07 PM
Ah, but where to get brass ewers? A nice 'Dinant' ware one, and a basin? -------------------- Bob R.
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Martin
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posted 03-31-2005 12:29 AM
Hi Bob,
well, that is something else, you most likely will not find that in any shops.
But why donīt you give it a try in contacting with exact drawings or pictures of originals to scale, those french members of the company mailing list like I mentioned for the brass candelholder?
They got some people who have made wonderful brass replicas, but they are unique. That is the best I could recomend.
What might work is getting maybe one of those many armourers to making some good proto types and then having them cast?
Hope that helps a bit?Martin -------------------- Verpa es, qui istuc leges. Non es fidenter scripto!
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chef de chambre
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posted 03-31-2005 05:00 PM
Hi Martin,Thats what I had pretty much thought I would have to end up doing. I hadn't thought of the French members, as there is a bit of difference between lathing a cast brass object, and making hollow ware. I might just ask them. The problem for me is obtaining good sets of drawings and measurements to work from.I have some moderate quality photographs of originals, but no measurements or scale to go by. I have a fellow who is extremely tallented, who might just make a limited production run for the interested - assuming anyone other than myself is interested in such a thing. I'd undertake it once some financial commitments outstanding were finished. I myself have always wanted a ewer, basin, and laver. Seems very much common Flemish household objects, and I imagine English as well. here also isn't a lot of brassware out there - people have pewter, but not brass. -------------------- Bob R.
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Martin
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posted 04-01-2005 01:13 AM
Hi Bob,
yupp that most likely is the way you have to go. As up to recently hardly anyone has been asking for fancy household stuff, so hardly anyone bothered making replicas. I got so brass pieces, but I would say that was luck coming across them. If you have someone to make those mentioned pieces, I would be interested in joining in, as there are still a few pieces on the list of what I would like to have!  As to refs well I have a few pictures of originals but for one they are somewhere in a container and as far as I know no real given measurements. So until I have my stuff again I canīt offer much help with pictures. Martin -------------------- Verpa es, qui istuc leges. Non es fidenter scripto!
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posted 04-03-2005 11:18 AM
Hi Vicky and Martin,I spoke with the fellow who I had thought might do this sort of project last evening, and he was interested. I believe I have a few photos of a ewer and laver, and I think both are in the UK - there is a lidded Ewer in the V&A, (Flemish, 15th century is all I have to go on) that would seem to fall into the right sort of quality for middeling class people. It has a cast handle and spout, (the handle is in the form of a crude, simple dragon/wyvern/elongated dog - it's hard to tell, and the spout is another cartoonish cat/lion. I know these were generally made up in multple pieces, and braised together - the foot of the Ewer for instance. We have a similar one in the MFA in Boston, identified as Dinant ware, but I despair of the likelyhood of ever getting a clear picture of it, or any information concerning it - the MFA is more interested in it as an object of art than as a common household object. The hanging laver also happens to be in the V&A - another classic shape that shows up in all those interior paintings seen in Flemish donor portraits and altarpieces. Typical fat onion-like shape, with a spout either side, and the base for the handle being the bust of a woman. You can see where it had been braised together, just above the centerline, and at the base of the flair where it opens up to put the water into it. If we could get someone to get the drawings or measurements for these two, we would be in business - I don't have assention numbers or catalog numbers, but I do have the photos - if you like a can scan them and post a link for you. I don't have any pictures of brass 15th century basins. The idea would be if we could get 3-6 people interested in these objects, we could get a small run of them made - not in India, but by a armourer/metalsmith that is top notch, and that I have do all sorts of non-armouring metalworking projects for me all the time. The time-frame I think we both would be looking at would be this Fall - he has a full plate currently, and I need to put together the money myself for a laver/ewer/basin. If we get him the scale or drawings, and the photographs, he can determine what the charge would be. I suspect they will not be cheap, but from working with him the last three years, I know they will be good. I suspect that the more interested parties we have in ordering some of these, the price would fall fractionally at least. I am sure that if someone was only interested in a laver, or only interested in a ewer, or only interested in a basin that would be easily done - he just would need to know how many copies of what to make.
Those interested in the project, write to me (Bob Reed) at
jlrr@mindspring.com Title it Dinant ware project. -------------------- Bob R.
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