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hauptfrau
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I have a friend who has been experimenting with soapmaking and would like more historical information on soap - medieval uses, types, recipes, etc.

Any leads as to books, period recipes, etc. would be appreciated.

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Email me I have some info that will help

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Could we get the soapmaking recipies posted here please? I really would like to know about it too (I'm a chemist by trade).

If not, please e-mail me at battle_of_wisby@yahoo.com

Thank you for your time,

Aaron Miaullis

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Strictly copyright Singer, I hope he dosen't mind !

354 PRE-SCIENTIFIC INDUSTRIAL CHEMISTRY

111. ALKALIS, CLEANSING-AGENTS, ACIDS

Soda and potash were in great demand as detergents and also for making glass, glazes, and soap. Their sources were native sodium carbonate, plant ashes, and calcined tartar.
Crude sodium carbonate or sesquicarbonate is found in quantities in various places in Egypt and notably in the famous Wadi Natrun which runs in the Western Desert parallel to the west limb of the Delta and about thirty miles from it. This native carbonate was known as nitrun. Of this word natron is a seventeenth-century European variant of the Arabic natru-n; hence natrium and our symbol for sodium. Important

in remoter antiquity (vol I, pp 259-60,268, 270) sodium
carbonate was little employed in medieval Europe,
though potash was in great demand.
Plant ash or 'pot-ash' contains a workable propor-
tion of potassium carbonate with a little sodium car-
bonate, unless it is derived from salt-marsh plants or

FIGURE 3:Z7-ScraPing tartarfrom seaweeds, in which case the proportion of the sodium
the inside of a wine cask. From a I
printed book, Strasbourg, c I497. sait is much larger. Wood-ashes were the normal
material for making glass, lye, and soap in north

Europe, and were even imported into England from the Baltic countries. For glassmaking the ashes of beechwood were recommended by Theophilus, but those of the bracken fern were especially esteemed and in England are said to have been used exclusively. For cleansing purposes, the ashes were extracted with water, yielding lye. For soap-making, lime was added to the wood-ash and water allowed to percolate through the mixture; the potassium c2rbonate was thus converted into caustic potash ('sharpening the lye'). The caustic solution was then boiled, or in some recipes merely stirred, with oil or fit.
In the Mediterranean area there was in general use a supposedly superior product, namely the fused ashes of a low woody shrub, probably Salsola soda L. This, when imported from Syria and the Levant, was called polverine or rocchetta; when brought from Spain, barilla. It contained UP tO 20 per cent of sodium carbonate and was effective for all purposes for which wood-ash was used; moreover, it contained more alkali and had the additional advantage of yielding a hard soap with fats, rather than a soft.
Tartar or argot is the deposit in wine-casks (figure 327). It consists chiefly of potassium hydrogen tartrate. When calcined it yields fairly pure potassium

FIGURE 327-ScraPing tartarfrom the inside of a wine cask. From a printed book, Strasbourg, c I497.

ALKALIS, CLEANSING-AGENTS, ACIDS 355

carbonate. Its chief use seems to have been medical, though it had some application in mordanting. The dregs of wine were sometimes dried and carbonized, giving a product (cineres clavelati) containing a high proportion of potash.
Ammonia was available in quantitv in the form of stale urine. This was much used for the purpose of cleansing from grease, for making alum (pp 215, 368),

and for pigments (P 36i).
Lime, formed by 'burning' chalk or limestone, was familiar. The kilns were simple, usually holes in a hill-side or low tower-shaped furnaces (figure 323), charcoal being used as fuel; coal, where available, was preferred in the Middle Ages. Lime was used in great quantity for Plaster, mortar, and attractum, the favourite mixture of lime, sand, and stones for filling the interior of thick walls. Mixtures of lime and sand were the chief medieval cement, but gypsum cements were also used. In Italy and the Mediterranean islands, pozzolanic cements (P 407), which would set under water, were made from volcanic tuff, lime, and sand; they have been used from classical antiquity to the present time. Pozzolana derives its name from the port of Pozzuoli, near Naples (figure 473).
Cleansitig-agents were used for personal hygiene and in the textile industry. The Greeks and Romans of the earlier centuries cleaned their persons by means of oil with or without mechanical a-ents such as bran, sand, ashes, juices of certain plants, and pumice. They were fond of hot, cold, and vapour baths. Various earths or clays were used for the hands. Soap, in our modern sense, . seems to have been unknown to them; it may have been a Teutonic or Tatar invention. It became known about the beginning of the Christian era, and was at first regarded rather as a cosmetic or medical preparation (see below).
Clothes were cleansed in antiquity with fuller's earth (a hydrated aluminium

silicate) and alkali. The former absorbs fat, the latter forms soluble compounds si

with it. The alkali usually employed was urine that had become ammoniacal, but sometimes lye from natron or wood-ash was used. The action of these substances was aided by mechanical beating in fulling-mills (figures i 87, 553). These remained in use until the close of the Middle Ages, and for long after soap had

become a familiar article of commerce.
Soap is of obscure origin. The Latin word sapo from which it comes is used by Pliny to describe a pomade invented by the Gauls. As this came to be extensively imported into Rome it is not safe to translate sapo by 'soap'. The first reference
in which this rendering is fairly certain is Of C A. D hys'cian Pr' '

. 385 by the p i iscian,
who speaks of it as used for shampooing. By 8oo its manufacture was a common domestic craft in Europe, and from then on we hear frequently of the calling of soap-boiler. From the twelfth century, at least, soap was produced in large

356 PRE-SCI'ENTIFIC INDUSTRIAL CHEMISTRY

quantities, and became a major export from several countries, notably Scandinavia. At first soap was made from animal fats and had a very unpleasant smell. This was overcome by the discovery that olive-oil could be used for the purpose, after which much of the trade passed to Spain and the Mediterranean region.
Hard soap was made around the Mediterranean from olive-oil and soda-ash (rocchetta or barilla). It was first produced by the Arabs and later made especially in Castille, Marseilles, and Venice, and exported to the northern countries. It was often perfumed and was regarded as an article of luxury.
Soft soap is typically a potassium compound. In the northern countries great quantities of it were made for textile-cleansing, at least as early as the twelfth century. The alkali used was caustic potash lye made by running water through layers of wood-ash and lime. The fat was tallow or whale-oil or other animal fat. The soap was of industrial application rather than a luxury article. Recipes of the sixteenth century indicate that some soap was made by simply stirring together hot lye with oil and letting them stand until they had thickened. Some was made by boiling fat with weak lye until saponified. The process of 'saltingout' is not recorded until the seventeenth century.'
Nitric acid. The notion of acids as a class was not developed until the sixteenth century, although certain acids had been familiar from antiquity. There is no Latin description of the preparation of nitric acid before the Summa perfectionis of Geber [I3], though such a description is given by the Arabic jibir. Nitric acid is also mentioned in treatises falsely ascribed to Ram6n Lull (I 23 5 ?I3I5), but written after I330. It was made by distilling nitre (P 370) with sulphates of aluminium, copper, or iron, previously partly dehydrated. A high temperature was required, and the distillation-apparatus had to be resistant to heat and acid vapours. The industrial use of the acid was in the separation or 'parting' of gold from silver, the silver dissolving and the gold remaining.
Aqua regia. Geber says, correctly, that the addition of sal ammoniac to nitric acid enables it to dissolve gold. This mixture, aqua regia, containing hydrochloric as well as nitric acid, could be used to separate silver from gold. The gold dissolved to a soluble chloride, while silver was attacked and precipitated as an insoluble chloride. The gold could readily be recovered by evaporation of the

I Oils and fats are essentially esten of gl),cerol with fatty acids. When an alkali such as soda is made to react with a fat, the sodium salt of the fatty acid is formed and glycerol liberated. In the earlier methods of soapmanufacture the glycerol remained in the product. It hw, however, no detergent action and can be removed by adding salt to a soap solution. This throws the soap out of the solution, and leaves a pro of glycerol in the

brine. 'ne operation may be repeated until the major part of the glycerol has been Nowadays the glycerol is recovmd, as a valuable by-product.

CERAMICS AND GLASS 357

liquid and heating the residue, while the silver could be obtained by smelting the chloride with an alkali. Nitric acid was suitable for separating small quantities of gold from silver, and aqua regia for separating small quantities of silver

from gold.
Sulphuric acid has a history that is far from clear. There is hazy evidence that it was made by Arabic-speaking alchemists as early as Jdbir (P 736). However, it is not certainly known to have been isolated before c I535. Thereafter it was made both by burning sulphur and condensing the traces,of acid so formed, and by the distillation of green or blue vitriol (iron or copper sulphate). It did not become of industrial importance until the seventeenth century. Nevertheless, the acid had been employed in vapour form for many centuries, both in the cast and in the west, in the cementation process for purifying gold by heating it with

vitriol and salt.

Hydrochloric acid similarly had been produced, but was not isolated or reco&-

nlzed until the seventeenth century. Organic acids such as vinegar (vin-aigre)

from wine turned sour, or merely the juice of sour grapes (ve 'uice), have been in
ri

general domestic use from an early date (vol 1, pp 284-5).

From Singer History of Technology

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Hi Mel!

This is FABULOUS stuff!!! Ever so much better than the absurd and useless article on mediaval soapmaking recently published in a national magazine.

I got most of it, but it looks like your word recognition program had a problem in a few areas. Could you clarify the following for me?

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Tartar or argot is the deposit in wine-casks (figure 327). It consists chiefly of potassium hydrogen tartrate. When calcined it yields fairly pure potassium. carbonate. Its chief use seems to have been medical, though it had some application in mordanting. The dregs of wine were sometimes dried and carbonized, giving a product (cineres clavelati) containing a high proportion of potash.
Gwen’s note: The baking agent “cream of tartar” comes from the skin of wine grapes. I wonder if this could be used as a soapmaking additive?

The first reference in which this rendering is fairly certain is pOf C A. D hys'cian Pr' '385 by the p i iscian, who speaks of it as used for shampooing.

Nitric acid is also mentioned in treatises falsely ascribed to Ram6n Lull (I 23 5 ?I3I5)]

(Aqua regia) The gold could readily be recovered by evaporation of the ???
I Oils and fats are essentially esten of glycerol with fatty acids. When an alkali such as soda is made to react with a fat, the sodium salt of the fatty acid is formed and glycerol liberated. In the earlier methods of soapmanufacture the glycerol remained in the product. It hw, however, no detergent action and can be removed by adding salt to a soap solution. This throws the soap out of the solution, and leaves a pro of glycerol in the brine. The operation may be repeated until the major part of the glycerol has been ??? Nowadays the glycerol is recovered, as a valuable by-product. ??? liquid and heating the residue, while the silver could be obtained by smelting the

Sulphuric acid has a history that is far from clear. There is hazy evidence that it was made by Arabic-speaking alchemists as early as Jdbir (P 736).

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Thanks!!

Gwen


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Corrections as requested !

How do I switch HTML on ? I did corrections in colour but I can't get it onto here ?

>Tartar or argot is the deposit in wine-casks (figure 327). It consists
chiefly of potassium hydrogen tartrate. When calcined it yields fairly pure
potassium. carbonate. Its chief use seems to have been medical, though it
had some application in mordanting. The dregs of wine were sometimes dried
and carbonized, giving a product (cineres clavelati) containing a high
proportion of potash.
Gwen¹s note: The baking agent ³cream of tartar² comes from the skin of
wine grapes. I wonder if this could be used as a soapmaking additive?

Do you know what is is chemically ?

>The first reference in which this rendering is fairly certain is pOf C A.
D hys'cian Pr' '385 by the p i iscian,
who speaks of it as used for
shampooing.


c AD385 by the physician Priscian

Nitric acid is also mentioned in treatises falsely ascribed to Ram6n Lull
(I 23 5 ?I3I5)]

Ramon Lull (1235?-1315) but written after1330.

(Aqua regia) The gold could readily be recovered by evaporation of the
???

liquid and heating the residue

I Oils and fats are essentially esten esters of glycerol with fatty acids. When an
alkali such as soda is made to react with a fat, the sodium salt of the
fatty acid is formed and glycerol liberated. In the earlier methods of
soapmanufacture the glycerol remained in the product. It hw, It has however,
no detergent action and can be removed by adding salt to a soap solution.
This throws the soap out of the solution, and leaves a pro proportion of glycerol in
the brine. The operation may be repeated until the major part of the
glycerol has been ??? removed Nowadays the glycerol is recovered, as a
valuable by-product.

This bit should follow "evaporation of the liquid" the para above is a foot note & seperate ...... "liquid and heating the residue, while the
silver could be obtained by smelting the"

Sulphuric acid has a history that is far from clear. There is hazy evidence
that it was made by Arabic-speaking alchemists as early as Jdbir (P
736).

Jabir (p736)

I cannot get accents to work, the names corrupted were accented in general

Mel


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BTW I have a large collection of Ciba reviews, including the one on Soap, if anyone is interested in a copy. I also have some other medieval dyeing, clothing etc ones

Mel


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large collection of Ciba reviews, including the one on Soap, if anyone is interested in a copy

I was asking Peder about Ciba reviews last month. I am very interested- how do we go about getting copies? Feel free to email me off-list if copies are not a matter of general interest.

Thanks!!!

Gwen


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Hi All, here is a list of CIBA's that Mel sent me. So I thought I would post them.

quote:

Here is the list of the ones I know of the ones in bold are the ones I have copies of and the italics I have copies of (ie if I copied it would be a copy of a copy)

A list of principal contents of CIBA Review

Bold got
Italic copies

1 Medieval Dyeing

2 India, its Dyers, and its Colour Symbolism

3 Wall-coverings

4 Purple

5 Tapestry

6 Silks of Lyons

7 Scarlet

8 The Dressing of Hides in the Stone Age

9 Dyeing and Tanning in Classical Antiquity

10 Trade Routes and Dye Markets in the Middle Ages

11 The Early History of Silk

12 Weaving and Dyeing in Ancient Egypt and Babylon

13 Guild Emblems and their Significance

14 Cloth-making in Flanders

15 Pile Carpets of the Ancient Orient

16 The Loom

17 Dress Fashions of the Italian Renaissance

18 Great Masters of Dyeing in Eighteenth-Century France

19 The Exchange

20 The Development of the Textile Crafts in Spain

21 Weaving and Dyeing in North Africa

22 Crafts and the Zodiac

23 The European Carpet

24 The Basle Ribbon Industry

25 Paris Fashion Artists of the Eighteenth Century

26 Medieval Cloth Printing in Europe

27 The Textile Trades in Medieval Florence

28 The Spinning Wheel

29 Venetian Silks

30 The Essentials of Handicrafts and the Craft of Weaving among Primitive Peoples

31 Textile Printing in Eighteenth Century France

32 Children's Dress

33 Bark Fabrics of the South Seas

34 Development of Footwear

35 The Hat

36 Indian Costumes

37 Textile Ornament

38 Neckties

39 Madder and Turkey Red

40 Turkestan and its Textile Crafts

41 The Human Figure in Textile Art

42 The Umbrella

43 Early Oriental Textiles

44 Ikats

45 Crafts of the Puszta Herdsmen

46 Crinoline and Bustle

47 Cloth Merchants of the Renaissance as Patrons of Art

48 The History of the Textile Crafts in Holland

49 Flax and Hemp

50 Medieval Embroidery

51 Fashions and Textiles at the Court of Burgundy

52 The Ship of the Dead in Textile Art

53 Silk Moths

54 Basketry and Woven Fabrics of the European Stone and Bronze Ages

55 Swiss Peasant Costumes

56 Soap

57 Medieval Dress

58 Batiks

59 The Reel

60 Roumanian Peasant Textiles

61 Gloves

62 Swiss Fairs and Markets in the Middle Ages

63 Basic Textile Techniques

64 Cotton and Cotton Trade in the Middle Ages

65 The Cloth Trade and the Fairs of Champagne

66 Peasant Textile Art

67 Colbert and the French Wool Manufacture

68 Dyeing among Primitive Peoples

69 Textile Art in Sixteenth-Century France

70 Textile Art in Ancient Mexico

71 Costumes of Porcelain Statuettes

72 Paper

73 Lace

74 Australia, the Land of Wool

75 Byzantine Silks

76 Early American Textiles

77 Flags

78 Fashions and Textiles of Queen Elizabeth's Reign

79 Swiss Linen Embroidery

80 Lucchese Silks

81 The Early History of Tanning

82 Water

83 The Silk and Velvet Industries of Crefeld

84 Maori Textile Techniques

85 Indigo

86 Scottish Highland Dress

87 Rubber

88 Swedish Peasant Textiles

89 The Handkerchief go Textile Arts of the North American Indians

90 The Linen Industry of St Gall

92 Aluminium-Surface' Treatment and Colouring

93 Uniforms

94 Alaska Sealskins

95 Cotton

96 Velvet

97 New Orleans, Centre of the Cotton Trade

98 Persian Textiles

99 Hard Fibres

100 Micro-organic Attack on Textiles and Leather

101 Chromium

102 Turkish Embroideries

103 Textiles and Dyestuffs at the Frankfort Fairs

104 Plangi-Tie and Dye Work

105 Textile Printing in Switzerland

106 The Stocking

107 Screen Printing

108 jute and its substitutes

109 Wood

110 Damask

111 Spun Silk

112 pH

113 The Wool Fibre

114 Fur

115 Sir -William Henry Perkin

116 Coir

117 Tablet Weaving

118 Tanning in Modern Times

119 Zurich Silks

120 Cibacron Dyes: Special Number

121 Waste Disposal in the Textile, Leather and Paper Industries

122 The Shirt

123 Ramie

124 Men's Dress

125 Roller Printing

126 Furnishing Fabrics

I 27 Polyamide and Polyester Fibres

128 Copper

129 Felt

130 The English Wool Industry

131 CIBA-75 years

132 Static Electricity

133 Coptic Textiles

134 Physical Textile Testing

135 Rouen-French Textile Centre

136 Peruvian Textile techniques

137 Fibres from Addition Polymers

138 Work Clothing

139 Chlorine

140 Fluorescence

141 Mixture Fabrics

1961/1 English Chintz; 2 Colour and its Measurement; 3 Gold and Textiles; 4 Machine made Carpets; 5 Alchemy and Colour; 6 Textile Arts of the Araucanians

1962/ 1/2/3/4/5/6

Textile Research Institutes; 2 Manchester-The Origins of Cotton-opolis; 3 Travel and Travel Outfits; 4 The Electron Microscope; 5 Hemp; 6 Assessment of Modification of Wool During Wet-Processing

1963/ 1 Artists' colours; 2 Early Chinese Silks; 3 The Catalan Textile Industry; 4 colours and Patterns in the Animal Kingdom; 5 Glass Fibres; 6 The Plant Laboratory

1964/ 1 Dry-cleaning; 2 Dyeing Theory; 3 The Polyolefins; 4 The Physiology of Clothing; 5 Energy; 6 Knitting Techniques

1965/ 1 Nonwovens; 2 Flax; 3 Yarn and Thread; 4 Sportswear; 5-6 Sulphur

1966/1 Slovene Textiles; 2 The Mechanical Loom; 3 Chromatography; 4 Radioactivity

1967/1 Animal Motifs on Fabrics; 2 Artificial Silk; 3 Oil from the Earth; 4 Japanese Resist Dyeing Techniques

1968/1 The Evolution of Mills and Factories; 2 Textiles in Biblical Times; I Tents; 4 Quality Control and Statistics

1969/1 Alginates; 2 Contemporary Greek Handweaving; 3 Bamboo



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Hi, y'all!

At the risk of hanging my ignorance out for the world to see is there an appreciable difference between medieval methods and handmaking soap now? 'Now' consisting of distilling lye from wood ash, rendering tallow for lard, heating the mix, cooling the mix, adding tinctures from botanicals or essential oils for color and/or scent, forming the soap, etc.

Just curious...

Norhala

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OK, how does one get reprints of those wonderful CIBA reviews??!!!!!

--AM, also a science geek


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