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Topic: 15thC "Outerwear"
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Friedrich
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posted 11-10-2000 09:03 AM
    
Here's one I've been scratching my head on. What did people wear for warmth/outerwear in 15thC Burgundy and Germany? For field use, I presume the livery jacket. But in very cold or wet weather, what was in or what was practical? Was the full length cloak still being used (which by itself is a very flexible garment even if we consider it out of fashion).? Or had Europe transitioned to a long, loosefitting, pleated(?) overcoat/longcoat of some sort? To add to the question, what did they wear riding? What costuming books I have don't say. Some of the pictures show coats but left me with a vague answer. From a weather perspective, Europe (in general) is little more mild and perhaps damp. However, some regions like southern Germany's Swabian and Bavarian regions do have significant elevations and snow. Your findings?
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Crispin
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posted 11-10-2000 07:42 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Anne-Marie:
I too am a recorder player trying to find a 15th century instrument. Actually I wasn't so much asking about alternative instruments as asking if the examples I cited would be considered intrusive....
The six holed pipe (penny whistle), fife, and pipe and tabor, are all clearly shown in illustrations from the 12th and 13th centuries.
The crumhorn too, dates from the 15th century, David Monrow, in his 'Instruments of the Middle ages and Renaissance' states: "The earliest and by far the most common of the reed cap instruments is the crumhorn. The name first occurs in 1489 as an organ stop in Dresden suggesting that the instrument had already been in use for some time".
The recorder is also of a somewhat later provenance, but can be reliably dated to the end of the 14th/beginning of the 15th century. The oldest extant example was found in the moat of a large fortified house in Dordrecht, Holland.
The house was only occupied from 1335 to 1418, when it was sacked. The area was completely submerged by flooding in 1421, remaining that way until it was excavated in 1940. So the date at which the recorder was discarded is pretty reliable. In the 'Cambridge companion to the recorder' (ed. J.M. Thomson) Anthony Rowland- Jones Writes: "The recorder may have been discarded at the time of the assault as metal utensils which could have been part of a soldier's kit were found in the excavation".
There are also quite a few 15th century illuminations which show the recorder in use, one of the best, by 'the Master of the Lyversberger Passion', is "The Coronation of the Virgin", which shows a trio of "Renaissance style" recorders being played by three seraphim.
There is a pretty good article on the surviving examples of early recorders online, complete with pictures of them at: http://members.iinet.net.au/~nickl/torture2.html
....Although I think he got confused and dates them a little to early.....
There is even a fellow (David<?> Hanchet, if memory serves) who makes replicas of the surviving pieces for about $1500 each:-)
That's why I was hoping the stuff I already have would work<sheepish grin>:-)
I have seen the 'Ancestral Instruments' site, and I love his stuff, getting some of his pipes is definitely on my list of things to save up for.His prices seem to be (relatively) reasonable.
Sorry for the 'lecture', but I'm kind of passionate about early music:-)
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hauptfrau
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posted 11-10-2000 11:30 PM
Ummmm.....I think you hit the wrong thread when you posted, and I think this was meant to go on the "Early Music" thread above. You might want to copy the text, then delete it from this thread and paste it into a reply on the other thread to keep things sorted out. Speaking of early music, there goes Jeff tuning that d@#n hurdy-gurdy again....God what a racket!  Gwen
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Fire Stryker
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posted 11-11-2000 08:42 AM
Friedrich,we have a copy of the "Venus and Mars" if you want to take a look at it while waiting for yours to arrive. Jenn
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