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Jancemeijer von Magnus
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posted 04-24-2006 11:06 AM

Alright, for my impression. The most commonly seen illustrations show doublets with the open "V" shaped front. It states they wore a type of Kerchief insert at the open portion of the doublet front. This kerchief was worn overtop of the linen shirt.

My guess its the predecessor to the 1960s english frilly-lace looking thing worn under the chin.

My question is: what is the period correct 1470s' kerchief?

thanks,
-Jason

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Gwen
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posted 04-24-2006 12:31 PM

"It states they wore a type of Kerchief" What is the "it" you refer to?

Gwen

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Jancemeijer von Magnus
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posted 04-24-2006 12:55 PM

Ive got to go find "it" now

It might have been Talhoffers combat book, Embletons' Medieval Soldier, or that eternally long 1920s German book on the Medieval Era. Hell it could have been in one of those thousands of pages of research material Brent blessed me with.

You want me to quote the page, or what?

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www.Rogue-Artist.com

"Jancemeijer von Magnus"
Organization head, "Magnus Kompanie"
Aufgebot Hessen Kassel 1471-1480
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Gwen
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posted 04-24-2006 03:29 PM

Just wondering if "it" is a reliable source, that's all.

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Laurentia
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posted 04-25-2006 03:29 AM

Hello

I'm not quite sure if this is what you are talking about:

There is a painted, wooden sculpture of a crossbower dated Oberrhein,1480 (acctually one of three sculptures, including the tortured St.Sebastian). Under his jacked he is wearing a doublet with this large V-front with a "stomacher" inside. It has the same colour and texture as the rest of the doublet. We couldn't tell how it is attached though. Could be pinned in or even sown in on one side, so it would be kind of a "wrap around" with the V-shape beeing only sort of a fake feature. But I'm just speculating here!

This ist the guy: unfortunatly all the pictures that would have been more detailed didn't turn out at all. the room is quite dark and you are not allowed to use flash or tripods https://fotoalbum.web.de/gast/laura.krauch/Wams

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Jancemeijer von Magnus
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posted 04-25-2006 09:13 AM

Hi Laurentia, thanks

That might be what I was reading about, I dont know. If I remeber correctly, what this thing was, was just a decorative panel stuffed inbetween the doublet and the linen shirt. One of those 15th C German ways for the Nobles to show off style and wealth. Sometimes it was a flat panel, sometimes it was "crunched" or folded like one makes a paper fan, so it had those vertical ribs.

I dont know what they were decorated with or what colors they were or even how they were attached for real, if attached at all. I doubt they hung off the neck like the 1960s frilly kerchief, I think they were just placed in there much a like a ladies Modesty Panel.

I dont know if it was linen or wool, but the period illustrations that are all over the place of the large open V doublets show a contrast in color. The doublet is usually a green or red or black and mostly 2-color. In between the V of the doublet opening is a very light (white or the like) color, much as the linen shirt itself would have been. That statue with its white and green might be like that.

I went through a couple books last night. Its not in my Osprey. My Talhoffer book is doubtful as its mostly illustrations with no words (and certainly no words on style). If its in the massive 1920s book, itll be a while before I find it. If its among those papers Brent sent me Ill never find it Those fill a travel bag! Ive got them semi-organized in large manilla envelopes, some 8-10 of them, but I wouldnt rememebr where to start.

It will come to me, sooner or later. If anyone else has heard of such a thing, speak up, please!

-Jason

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~ Jason Banditt Adams
Illustrator for the gaming industry
www.Rogue-Artist.com

"Jancemeijer von Magnus"
Organization head, "Magnus Kompanie"
Aufgebot Hessen Kassel 1471-1480
www.GothicGermany.org

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gregory23b
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posted 05-02-2006 06:48 AM

A plastron perhaps?

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