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Jancemeijer von Magnus
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posted 12-09-2005 06:04 PM     Profile for Jancemeijer von Magnus   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Hey everyone,

Im trying to get a feel for making my own armour gear, so I would like to purchase some cheap-o used armour to see what to do.

I want to start with easy stuff like spaulders and simple helms. Im ONLY interested in 15th century, but keeping in mind my group does "the poor folk militia" of Kassel Germany in the 1470s, we would use stuff not yet phased out of the 1450s and on, or even "antiques" from the early 1400s.

basically, anything I can get for a song Il take. I can always alter the pattern for 15C. I dont care what its made of as its just going to be taken apart for patterns.

If anyone knows of someplace thats got patterns on-line, please let me know.

Anyone who helps me out here can feel free to ask about me making a copy of something for them as long as they pay for supplies.

I am NOT making a business, good lord no! I just want to get my folks in my group kitted out; as we are all too poor to pay the commonly rediculous prices out there. Quite frankly, Ill kit out any living historian/re-enactor or someone who wants to be, so ong as they bring a positive additude to the hobby! Feel free to post here or e-mail me.

Thanks or any help,
-Jason

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"Jancemeijer von Magnus"
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Martin
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posted 12-09-2005 08:18 PM     Profile for Martin     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Ups Jason,
now there is a differance between old fashioned and cheap....now-a-days cheap means lots and lots of modern short cuts and bad craftsmanship, cheap then meant as little as possible on material, working time didn´t count much money wise. So if you are aiming at trying to make proper replicas, you have to either look at the real stuff in the museums or very good replicas which are everything but cheap.
Also although this is not my field but as a craftsperson I can say a lot of techniques and ways of making something proper with the right looks, you don´t neccesarly see on the finished product but you have to be there and watch it be made. E-mails or websites are a poor substitute for that. I could in long essays explain certain goldsmiths techniques and still something differant would come out than if the person had been there to see how it is done.
Martin

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Jancemeijer von Magnus
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posted 12-09-2005 08:28 PM     Profile for Jancemeijer von Magnus   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
True. But I havent the money to buy expensive properly-made replicas, nor outfit and entire forge. Im going for back-then version of cheap; little material, little pazzaz.

I will, of coarse, make it of correct materials, but I sure cannot make it out of a proper forge. Just me, a hammer, a dishing bowl, a billet of bronze I use for the opposite of a dishing bowl, an acetelyne torch and w hole lot of sweat and sore muscles. I realy need the work-out anyway

-Jason

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~ Jason Banditt Adams
Illustrator for the gaming industry
www.Rogue-Artist.com

"Jancemeijer von Magnus"
Organization head, "Magnus Kompanie"
Aufgebot Hessen Kassel 1471-1480
www.GothicGermany.org


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Martin
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posted 12-09-2005 08:40 PM     Profile for Martin     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Jason,
well that is the thing some costly projects just need time, anyone hoping at stamping out of the ground a proper armours shop in a matter of months is either a dreamer or very very rich! As with most things in this hobby if you don´t take the time to make things right, they will never look proper. It just depends how important the right reproduction of 15th century things are to you. I for myself am very picky, so that I rather wait a few years and have the piece done right with the right looks that you can place it beside the original and except for the traces of time there is no differance.

Martin

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Jancemeijer von Magnus
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posted 12-09-2005 08:53 PM     Profile for Jancemeijer von Magnus   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I Agree with you, however, the pieces I plan on trying to make do not take much to do. A pair od segmented spaulders are super-easy.

The Black sallets I have reference for should only tak time, not money. These htings are ugly as originals! lol So I cant go wrong Its basically just taking a tear-drop shape and dishing it out and then cutting eye slits into it. No problem.

Trust me, Im not looking to sacrifice authenticity for a quick fix. But on the other hand, this hobby is going to continue to be without more-than-willing participants untill SOMEONE starts offering quality stuff at prices normal people like me can afford, or we learn to do it ourselves.

There is such a profound advance in technology and readily-available information that objects that were state-of-the-art 600 yers ago are hobby projects now.

I dont think you have to worry about my serious concious efforts toward authenticity, IVe been on hold doing strictly research for over 6 years now. Im tired of sitting behind a book, I want to join you people on the field!

-Jason

[ 12-09-2005: Message edited by: Jancemeijer von Magnus Fülkim ]

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~ Jason Banditt Adams
Illustrator for the gaming industry
www.Rogue-Artist.com

"Jancemeijer von Magnus"
Organization head, "Magnus Kompanie"
Aufgebot Hessen Kassel 1471-1480
www.GothicGermany.org


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