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Bob Hurley
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posted 03-15-2001 09:44 PM     Profile for Bob Hurley     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I'd be interested in ideas for a Fri/Sat/Sunday-morning event for two, at a 14thC swordsmanship symposium and Pas de Armes.

My only personal restriction is that I'm allergic to Pork.

I'd really like to spend little time cooking at the event, and will only have a small brazier for a heat source there. Ice and a cooler are available. It will be an active weekend, and hearty foods would be best.

Please take care, because Bob Charron has agreed to endure my hospitality, and anything wished upon me is wished upon him as well...8o)


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Gwen
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posted 03-15-2001 11:56 PM     Profile for Gwen   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
There you go, posting these great questions right before 9, right before I'm off the computer for the weekend!

Please "bump" this question on Monday, as I'd love to respond!

Gwen


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Anne-Marie
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posted 03-16-2001 02:31 AM     Profile for Anne-Marie   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Bob Hurley:
I'd be interested in ideas for a Fri/Sat/Sunday-morning event for two, at a 14thC swordsmanship symposium and Pas de Armes.

My only personal restriction is that I'm allergic to Pork.

I'd really like to spend little time cooking at the event, and will only have a small brazier for a heat source there. Ice and a cooler are available. It will be an active weekend, and hearty foods would be best.

Please take care, because Bob Charron has agreed to endure my hospitality, and anything wished upon me is wished upon him as well...8o)


ooo! a challenge!!
what are the rules?
place?
must be documentable to the recipe, or documentable in concept?
exact years?
class distinctions an issue?

I eat this way all the time at events when its just me (instead of the usual cadre of a dozen enthusiastic cooks ) and so have a plethora of recipes. Help me narrow it down some!

--AM


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Templar Bob
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posted 03-16-2001 06:20 AM     Profile for Templar Bob   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Ginerva, Gaston, et al:

I'd be very interested in any recipies you may come up with as well. There was a thread earlier on 13th century recipies, and I'd be very interested in trying something new (or old, in this case).

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Robert Coleman, Jr.
The Noble Companie and Order of St. Maurice
Those who beat their swords into plowshares end up plowing for those who don't.


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Bob Hurley
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posted 03-16-2001 12:19 PM     Profile for Bob Hurley     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Anne-Marie:
Help me narrow it down some!

--AM


Thank you, I'll try.

Let's say it is 1362. Gaston de Poitou is traveling with the entourage of King Pierre I of Cyprus, who is traveling Europe to raise support for a new Crusade. Gaston is here in service to his knight, who is a retainer of the court, and will be expected to fight in many of the tourneys expected along the way.

Although not without some means, Gaston is a but a squire and would have only his own resources. It would be reasonable that he could buy bread, ale, and raw foodstock from the countryside. He would expect to have vinegar, pepper, salt, powder forte and powder douce, and similar spices and condiments, and perhaps a bottle of acceptable wine.

Gaston is very pleased that Sir Conn has decided to travel with the group for a while, and has consented to be Gaston's guest for the weekend. While Sir Conn is a soldier at heart and does not expect to be feasted under the conditions, he should be properly fed.

[This message has been edited by Bob Hurley (edited 03-16-2001).]


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Anne-Marie
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posted 03-17-2001 11:42 AM     Profile for Anne-Marie   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
We have a fair amount of info on the food that Gaston would know and love. is the Knight french also? or does Gaston want to try and do some Iberian/middle eastern stuff to impress his boss?

(mmm....pomegranite chicken......sorry, I digress.....)

a suggested menu:
for breakfasts: herbolade (scrambled eggs w/cheese and herbs), bread, ale, leftovers
for lunches: pastellums (chicken bits with sage and bacon wrapped in pastry), or other cold meat pies, bread, butter, fruit if its in season
for dinner: a stew of some kind (chicken in hocche? beef and onion stew with mustard? lamb with onions and spices?) stewed mushrooms, a cold fruit pie. You could also do roast meats (a bit hoity toity for you, but would impress your knight ) and serve it with some sauces.

all of this can be made at home (including the roast, which you cook at home so you can use that meat thermometer ), held in the cooler and warmed up on site with a minimum of fuss and effort.

let me know if you need more specifics!
--AM


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posted 03-17-2001 01:37 PM     Profile for chef de chambre   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Recipies AM, we need recipies!

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Anne-Marie
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posted 03-18-2001 11:56 AM     Profile for Anne-Marie   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by chef de chambre:
Recipies AM, we need recipies!


have posted a couple to get you started....I strongly suggest you test drive them at home to be sure you like them before you feed your knight! if something else strikes your fancy, dont hesitate to ask.

also, be sure to check out the Medieval and Renaissance Food Homepage at http://www.pbm.com/~lindahl/food.html

check for recipes that clearly give you the original source word for word so you can check it for accuracy. Cariadocs stuff is especially good that way.

have fun!
--AM


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Gwen
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posted 03-19-2001 12:08 PM     Profile for Gwen   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Bob, can I assume you will be able to heat things up in a pot on the brazier? Will you be able to cook things from scratch? Do you *want* to cook things from scratch?

Gwen


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Friedrich
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posted 03-19-2001 12:15 PM     Profile for Friedrich   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Speaking of braziers:

Can anyone recommend a source to get or have made a "proper" one? I've found a few but all are of the modern welded variety to place in a firepace more as a firewood cradle. I'm looking for a period flat style to cook on.


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Bob Hurley
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posted 03-20-2001 07:45 PM     Profile for Bob Hurley     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Well, I'll confess that my "brazier" will likely be a habachi for now. I can heat things up, but I don't want to do a lot of cooking from scratch because I won't have the time.

I'm still searching for a simple 14thC picture or, or pattern for, a brazier or something similar.


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Anne-Marie
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posted 03-24-2001 10:54 AM     Profile for Anne-Marie   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
when is this event, Bob? inquiring minds wanna know how it goes foodwise!
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Bob Hurley
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posted 03-24-2001 08:12 PM     Profile for Bob Hurley     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
The event is the weekend prior to the Feast of Saint George the Martyr, April 20-22. More in the events section here: www.bigfoot.com/~st_olaf

I'd certainly like to see some of the folks here attend. It may be a long time before Bob Charron is in this area again. It's listed as invitational, but please consider yourself/selves invited!


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Bob Hurley
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posted 04-04-2001 09:14 PM     Profile for Bob Hurley     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I've tested a few of the dishes, and was quite surprised how much I liked them! The Benes yFryed is delicious (and much better the next day, as you said, Gwen), the Funges equally good although I think I'll prepare it with a bit more broth and serve it as a soup.

I've had a lot of trouble with bread (I think my machine went blinko), but using it only to knead the dough I got a recipe of Manchet to turn out nicely.

I'm a great deal more comfortable about the food for the event now. Thank you, all!


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Bob Hurley
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posted 04-22-2001 09:34 PM     Profile for Bob Hurley     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
"Gaston de Poitou - Passable Cook, Foul Maitre D'...."

The dishes were a hit, but I was sidetracked so easily that I never got them to together into a coherent meal.

We had herbolade, a chicken and lamb pie seasoned with powder forte (didn't even get to the one seasoned with cubeb, but some night-roaming dogs found it tasty if a bit pretentious), roast chicken with sage and cubeb, manchet bread, cheeses, pears, and ale. The fungus in broth, lentils, benes yfried, and savory roast beef didn't get touched.

The difficulty was the largesse of our guests, it seemed that every time I started the brazier to warm up or cook food, before I could start cooking I would hear "come, eat, we've set you both a plate!" It isn't a complaint.

Thank you all very much for the recipes and advice, all I tried were delicious and your support gave me confidence.

The event didn't generate the surplus for charity we'd hoped, but.....well, we'll be holding another this fall.

[ 04-22-2001: Message edited by: Bob Hurley ]


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Fire Stryker
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posted 04-23-2001 06:40 AM     Profile for Fire Stryker   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Glad to hear it was a good event. If anything, look at it as a dress rehearsal for the next one.

Everything sounded real good, sorry we missed it.

Jenn

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Templar Bob
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posted 04-24-2001 02:22 PM     Profile for Templar Bob   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Bob Hurley:
"Gaston de Poitou - Passable Cook, Foul Maitre D'...."[quote]

And

[quote]Originally posted by Bob Hurley:

The difficulty was the largesse of our guests, it seemed that every time I started the brazier to warm up or cook food, before I could start cooking I would hear "come, eat, we've set you both a plate!" It isn't a complaint.

[ 04-22-2001: Message edited by: Bob Hurley ]


Bob:

Don't feel bad---I got to taste the chicken and lamb pasty...and brought some to my wife. We loved it! He's a much better cook than he lets on.

Maybe next time, we can be your guests? Please??

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Those who beat their swords into plowshares end up plowing for those who don't.


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