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Gwen
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posted 12-04-2005 08:39 PM     Profile for Gwen   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Got a copy of the ARS Journal courtesy of Toby last week. Looks OK, printing and layout looks professional. Some of the photos are pretty grainy, but not too bad.

A HUGE oversight/omission (in my view) is a complete lack of any sort of biographical information on the authors of the papers. What's up with that? I've never seen a journal that doesn't have some sort of blurb about the authors. How am I supposed to form an opinion about the qualifications of the authors if I have no information on them?

Did you know anything about that Bob?

Gwen


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Thomas james hayman
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posted 12-04-2005 09:06 PM     Profile for Thomas james hayman   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
You got one, lucky you!

Good to hear from someone not related to the ARS that it looks good.

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Gwen
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posted 12-04-2005 10:04 PM     Profile for Gwen   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I said "OK", not "good". Don't mean to sound dismissive, as it's a good effort, good for what it is, good for the first try. I'd expect to see better photo quality, author bios and a few other things before I'd give it an unqualified "good".

You'll be thrilled with yours Thomas, I'm quite sure.

Gwen


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Bertus
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posted 12-05-2005 06:46 AM     Profile for Bertus     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I still have to receive my copy. Grumble.
By the way, I haven't been able to access the ARS website for the last few days. Not here in the Netherlands and also not in Belgium at my girlfriends place. Does anybody know what is up (/down) with it?

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Thomas james hayman
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posted 12-05-2005 08:10 AM     Profile for Thomas james hayman   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Yes, Brian is having some tech issues with their server, the details escape me but something along the lines of it's not where it is supposed to be.

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Marcele
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posted 12-05-2005 12:16 PM     Profile for Marcele     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Thank you for the feedback, Ginevra. I agree that a short mention of bio background/snail-mail address would have been a useful addition to what is there. One possible action I could take would be to add some short bio information to the journal page on the ARS website. I'll communicate with the authors on that topic.

The next issue will contain this sort of information so that interested parties may follow up with the authors or at least know their background.

This whole process has been a tremendous learning experience.

-Tasha McGann
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Marcele
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posted 12-05-2005 12:17 PM     Profile for Marcele     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Looks like the website is restored now!
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chef de chambre
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posted 12-05-2005 03:45 PM     Profile for chef de chambre   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I know nothing about the process - I wrote an article. I had nothing to do with the layout, editing, or format, nor am I anything other than a common member of the society.

My commentary would be that the best qualification for writing a research paper would be writing a solid research paper, well footnoted, and logicaly defensible - alphabet soup at the end of a name means very little, and more than one PHD has written poor research. Heck, I know of at least one curator out there with as much (or little) academic credentials as myself.

It was my understanding that the very purpose of the society was to foster armour research, by independant scholars especially, and bring them into contact and communication with professionals in the field - it wasn't supposed to be an organ for professional scholars only. Ian Eaves told me once that the field or drive in the field is suffering from a lack of new blood, pursuing different ideas - it's my understanding that the ARS is intended to give a transfusion.

For what it's worth.

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Gwen
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posted 12-05-2005 06:06 PM     Profile for Gwen   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I didn't mean to insinuate that one had to have a degree to publish. Information on formal education can be useful, but it is just as useful to know what an independent scholar's area of expertise is.

Determining the defensibility of a paper may be easy for someone versed in a field. Unfortunately, for someone without a lot of specialized knowledge a specious argument can sound just as convincing. Knowing an author's background gives me more information on which judge what I'm reading.

Gwen


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chef de chambre
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posted 12-05-2005 06:46 PM     Profile for chef de chambre   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Hey Gwen,

You have a point. The first half of my article published in the MRS Journal was reviewed by a professional in the field (and you know him ). To the best of my knowledge my second half was not, which I was not entirely comfortable with.

There should be peer review of articles and what credentials should be known.

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posted 12-06-2005 09:50 AM     Profile for Marcele     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Bob, are you saying you are unhappy with the final appearance of your article in the Journal of the Armour Research Society? Please make yourself fully clear as I have not yet discerned what your point is above.

-Tasha


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Gwen
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posted 12-06-2005 10:27 AM     Profile for Gwen   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
If I understand things correctly, I don't believe Bob has had the opportunity to see the "final appearance" of his article yet.

Gwen


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posted 12-06-2005 11:33 AM     Profile for Marcele     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
In actuality, the authors received final, formatted copy many months ago with the right to make comments/changes as needed.

If you are making reference to the arrival of final bound copies of the Journal, I wish I could help, but the mailing was done from Illinois and I'm in Pennsylvania.

Tasha


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Fire Stryker
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posted 12-06-2005 11:39 AM     Profile for Fire Stryker   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Firstly, we haven't SEEN the Journal in it's final published format. We're still waiting for our copies. Sorry, but it's the truth.

What Bob is saying is that his article in the MRS Journal (predecessor to the ARS) was reviewed by a PhD in the armour and museum community (2) if memory serves me correctly: Peer reviewed, a professional in the community.

He is wondering if his 2nd article received the same attention.

He is not expressing dissatisfaction with the Editorial aspects of his article for the ARS journal. He is well aware of your work with his article and appreciates it.

He is also agreeing with Gwen on her point that some biographical data would have been helpful for people who may not know the contributing authors.

Please don't read more into what he is saying than is actually there.

Jenn

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Erik D. Schmid
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posted 12-06-2005 11:02 PM     Profile for Erik D. Schmid   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Gwen, Almost all of Toby's photos were taken with his own camera which is my guess as to why they appear grainy. Simon's as well. Pierre's were by far the best. Doug's were a hodge-podge.

Biographical information would have been nice. A simple footnote would have sufficed at the end of each article. I had planned on putting it in, but unfortunately I forgot to mention that to Tasha. Sorry T.

Your second article Bob, was not peer reviewed. Actually I do not think any of them were for that matter. Pierre's was done long before we asked him for one, Toby's was done more spur of the moment. Simon's was however as it was a reprint from the V&A conservation journal. Doug's had been slated to be a Kalamazoo presentation, so it probably was not reviewed either.

Actually Jenn, the MRS Journal is not really a predecessor to the ARS. It may have appeared that way, but I always had the idea of using that avenue for something in the future. As it stands now, I do intend to publish another edition. Next year if possible.

FWIW, I still have not received my journal yet either. Shocking I know... hehehehe...

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Erik D. Schmid
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posted 12-07-2005 10:58 AM     Profile for Erik D. Schmid   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
quote:
A HUGE oversight/omission (in my view) is a complete lack of any sort of biographical information on the authors of the papers. What's up with that? I've never seen a journal that doesn't have some sort of blurb about the authors. How am I supposed to form an opinion about the qualifications of the authors if I have no information on them?

Haven't seen that many journals then it seems.

The Journal of the Arms & Armour Society: No information.

Arms & Armour (Royal Armouries): Not much to speak of other than a little blurb stating their title

The Park Lane Journal: Again, either no information, or extremely limited

It would seem then that these highly valued journals do not see the need for such info. If they do not, why should you?


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Gwen
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posted 12-07-2005 11:42 AM     Profile for Gwen   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Excellent point Eric, thanks for pointing it out. I suppose my desire to know something about the people who's work I'm spending time reading is just one of the reasons I'm not a scholar.

Your point also makes me wonder if the authors should consider submitting future articles to these other, well established, highly valued journals.

Gwen


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Erik D. Schmid
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posted 12-07-2005 01:52 PM     Profile for Erik D. Schmid   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Gwen,

I suppose my desire to know something about the people who's work I'm spending time reading is just one of the reasons I'm not a scholar.

Could you explain this? I am not quite sure how to take it.

Your point also makes me wonder if the authors should consider submitting future articles to these other, well established, highly valued journals.

This one could use a bit of explaining as well. Are you suggesting that because the ARS Journal is essentially no different than the others, that it does not make sense to submit anything to it?


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