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Crimson Vision
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posted 11-18-2005 01:58 PM     Profile for Crimson Vision   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Hello Everyone,

Another question. Does anyone know of any examples of documented velvet horse barding? I am hoping to recreate this:


(picture of François I on horse back by François Clouet the younger in the Galería de los Uffizi. Florencia. Italia)

It certainly looks like velvet to me but I'm not having much luck in proving that it actually is. Thoughts?

Thank you!


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Crimson Vision
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posted 11-18-2005 02:02 PM     Profile for Crimson Vision   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Ah! Just found this: http://englishhistory.net/tudor/h8crown.html

Thoughts?


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posted 11-18-2005 02:38 PM     Profile for Fire Stryker   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
There are quite a few historical records of velvet being used, mainly for the upper crust. Edward IV's and John Howard's records talk about luxury fabrics being used for various things including tack.

In an off topic post, I posted an image of an later red velvet covered bridle. The saddle is just as "intense".

Jenn

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posted 11-18-2005 02:41 PM     Profile for Fire Stryker   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
http://www.wolfeargent.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=22&t=000002

It's 1740s, but like I said, I've found plenty of accounts.

Jenn

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Crimson Vision
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posted 11-18-2005 03:06 PM     Profile for Crimson Vision   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Wow. Gorgeous bridle. Pics of the saddle?

Thank you! I'm still pretty new to documentation so I'm unsure if what I find is actualy correct.


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Fire Stryker
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posted 11-19-2005 01:18 PM     Profile for Fire Stryker   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Hi Crimson,

There were no saddle pictures to go with that specific bridle. I got is confused with this one.

King's Champion's saddle currently held in the possessions of the Worshipful Company of Saddlers by the generosity of the present Queen's Champion, Lt. Col. J.L.M. Dymoke, MBE, DL, Lord of the Manor of Scrivelsby.

It is written that this saddle was most likely used last during the coronation of George III in the 1760s. The style of the saddle, from other examples and drawings from various 16th and 17th c riding manuals, suggests to me that it may be from the 1600s but I haven't fully examined all the details, it just states when it was used last, not when it was created.

You've already seen this one in another thread.

Cheers,

Jenn

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Peter Lyon
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posted 11-19-2005 10:07 PM     Profile for Peter Lyon   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Not barding as such, but another use of velvet, is the funerary saddle of Henry V, which is a rare instance of a piece of fabric that can be closely dated: the saddle was almost certainly made in 1422 specifically for the funeral, probably sometime in October.

The saddle was originally covered with blue velvet: the description from Lisa Monnas' analysis says:
solid cut-silk pile velvet, on an extended tabby ground.
It was also originally "powdered" with embroidered gold fleur-de-lys, though none now survive.


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Fire Stryker
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posted 11-20-2005 09:27 AM     Profile for Fire Stryker   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
When Phillip le Bon entered Brabant as duke for the first time, he had 18 destriers and coursers of his that were covered in black velvet caparisons, embroidered richly in gold thread with his arms. The source for this is Olivier de la Marches "Memoires". Olivier mentions "how it was a shame, that it was raining, and so much of the finery was ruined"

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posted 11-21-2005 04:51 AM     Profile for Mike     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
There is a early/mid 16th C Austrian bit with reins still attached (covered in green velvet) in the Fitzwilliam museum in Cambridge.
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posted 11-21-2005 09:39 AM     Profile for Fire Stryker   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
From the "Privy Purse Expenses of Elizabeth of York: Wardrobe Accounts of Edward IV"

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On the 26th, green velet, garnished with aglets of silver gilt, bordered with spangles, for horse harnesses, together with crimson velvet for covering head- stalls and reins for ten hobies and palfreys, which articles the King presented to the Duchess, were issued by the Wardrobe-keeper (11).


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A horse harness and saddle of crimson velvet, and cloth of gold

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satin was on one occasion purchased for the covering of her saddle

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Her Majesty, and the Countess of Richmond, again wore the livery of the Order, and rode in a rich chair, covered with cloth of gold, drawn by six horses, trapped in a similar manner, and followed by a suite of twenty-one ladies, among whom was her sister the Princess Anne, dressed in crimson velvet gowns, and mounted on white palfreys, the saddles of which were made of cloth of gold, and the trappings covered with white roses, the badge of the House of York

I am sure there's a lot more. It's been a while since I reviewed the document in full. From memory, I know that there is a green velvet covered saddle with silver embroidery.

Jenn

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