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Verg
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posted 08-20-2005 04:37 PM

Dear Friends,

I just returned from a tour of British and Irish castles and found this carving that I thought would be of interest to our group.

Equestrian Image Lord Greys Retinue

John Ruxton

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Verg
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posted 08-20-2005 09:09 PM

Wouldn't the chaperon he is wearing put it back a few decades? One other figure (not in the pics included) is wearing split hose.

John Ruxton

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Mike
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posted 08-22-2005 08:21 AM

Where abouts was it from?

Thanks.

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Fire Stryker
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posted 08-22-2005 12:35 PM

It looks Tudor rather than mid-15th century. Look at the hat on the guy behind the bishop.

The other thing about the saddle detail is it looks very much like one found in one of the Flemish works from the the 1470s to 80s. Now I have to go dig and see if I can find it on my home system.

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Verg
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posted 08-22-2005 11:28 PM

The carving is in a castle in Ireland. The castle also has the "standard" Henry VI painting . . . not saying that the two are in anyway related but interesting non the less.

Henry VI official portrait

After closer examination, I see the "split hose" are not split hose after all but pointed three or four buckle riding boots

man kneeling 01

man kneeling 02

[ 08-22-2005: Message edited by: Verg ]

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Mike
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posted 08-23-2005 04:30 AM

I also thought "German" when I saw it as the tack is similar to that illustrated in German works eg Durer, Talhoffer. North-Western European tack seems (generally) to have been wider.

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gregory23b
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posted 08-23-2005 02:54 PM

Early 16th certainly

Skirted coat/jacket
breastplate
hat looks similar to a landsknecht floppy slash hat, sort of.

Horse stuff, no idea, I leave that kind of thing to people like Mike.

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Verg
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posted 08-23-2005 08:04 PM

I'm not certain the owners of the castle want it advertised what they have . . .

The figures are all from one piece of art. It appears to my layman's eye that the carving is hung on the wall and not a piece that has been there forever and a day . . . The hall contains a number of items that I clearly recognize as being Tudor or Jacobean. I would guess the carving was placed there during the caste's 20th century make over - or at least moved there from somewhere else in the complex.

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