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...discusses the working horse, the warhorse (eastern most likely ), horse breeding and trading and the whole infrastructure of grooms, farriers, lorimers (also known as loriners*), wheelwrights and cordwainers which kept the medieval equine world running.

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The quote for the book forgot to mention saddlers. Loriners/Lorimers* who make the metal bits associated with horse tack.

Other than that, I know of no single specific books, articles, or what have you that deal with a single job aspect. So the above book, if it truly gives the infrastructure, might prove invaluable for citing primary sources.

Hope it helps.

Jenn

There is a reasonable amount of info available about various horse-related occupations, but it is scattered across a variety of publications.

I don't remember the detail off the top of my head, but if you are interested in vets, there is the "Boke of Marschelsy" plus RHC davies has a little section on european vet manuals, though he is extremely poor on english ones - it looks like that section is a straight crib from somebody's dissertation on italian vet manuals. Hyland in the "Horse in medieval England" touches on those, too.

If you are more interested in being a horse trader, try "The horse trade in Tudor and Stuart England", can't remember the author but can find out - it's a little late, but talks about the carrying trade as well as the horse trade.

There is some stuff about saddlers etc in the Hyland book, plus there's an article in "The Ricardian" about "John Nelyngton, saddler to Rchard III" - again, if you're interested, I've got the details somewhere.

There are loads of references to grooms, their duties and payments to them (eg for moving horses from one of the king's studs to another), but these are extremely scattered - I honestly can't think of anything that puts them all together.

MoL "Medieval horse and its equipment" has articles on marschal-farriers of london, plus a section on medieval grooming tools which includes some pictures of grooms from manuscripts

Hope that helps, I'll try to add more later.

Sutton, AF "John Nelyngton, Supplier of saddlery to Richard III" The Richardan 6

Edwards, P "The horse trade in tudor & stuart england" 1988

Langdon j 1984 "Horse hauling: a revolution in vehicle transport in the twelfth and thirteenth century england?" past and present 103, 37-66

I had forgotten about the MoL. Figured everybody had that one.

You mentioned some interesting sources, I should be receiving a book on the Worshipful Company of Saddlers 1150-1960 shortly. I am sure there's some interesting stuff in there.

I am not sure if we have the Ricardian 6 information. What year was it published? We do get Bulletins from England too, but this one may have been before we joined the Society.

Also would be interested in any other saddler /loriner info to which you might have access.

Thanks!

a) Don't know what year Ricardian 6 was published. I'm trying to get it on interlibrary loan through the british library at present, once I get hold of it I'll copy it for you.

b) I'm trying to sort out some stuff for my own interest about medieval warhorses, as it's a thing I really should know about and I haven't found the published sources (Hyland, Davis, etc) really up to it. I'll probably post the list of articles and books I'm chasing down on this forum at some point, but not on this thread - they mostly aren't really relevant to Callum's topic.

c) I'd be interested in details of the book about the worshipful company of saddlers. Could you give me details?

d) I don't have a lot of information specifically about saddlers/lorriners. What little I have is just tangential stuff I picked up en route.

My volumes of the "Worshipful Company" just arrived today! It is a two volume set that covers the treasures of the Guild and the History of same. As they say in the opening, it isn't another history of saddles or knights.

There is a really nice pic of Henry V's saddle in color, same angle we always see it at, but I have never seen it in color. The cool thing is it tells you WHO made his saddle. They also have a riding saddle. They didn't give a date under the picture so I will have to go rooting through the photo credits, but the tree is similar to one the Hauptmann made.

Some of the records are sporadic. They were cursed by the fire of 1666, again in 1821 and 1835(?) and then the Bombing of London by the Germans during WWII. Their hall was damaged in all of these occasions. However, they can date their existance to at least the 12th c. It looks like a fascinating read.

Is there anything in particular you would like to know? As I come across it, I will make notations and foward it to you.

Would it be possible for you to post or email me the pic of the "riding" saddle? I'm very interested to see a 15th century saddle that isn't a war saddle or a bone covered one. It is 15th C isn't it?

They attribute the saddle to being Tudor. I think it is more in line with Henry VII rather than the later Tudors. I speculate as they give no "exact" date ( I am searching the text of the book now for an exact date) that it is probably latter 15th c or early 16th. It seems to have the stylings of a horn saddle but is leather covered with some tooling/decoration on the cantle; you only get a glimpse. I will send it tonight.

If you look through the plexi-mounts, it seems to have a similar, not exact, tree to that which you used in yours. I think the back section of the tree was damaged and is missing.

It's a nice color picture.

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