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Topic: Where Did the Saddles Go?
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Erik D. Schmid
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posted 07-04-2001 04:59 PM
    
Seigneur de Leon,You can see a picture of the Norman saddle here along with a description about it's construction. I really did not see any reason for deleting the thread in question. The only thing I remember as being even remotely heated was the part where Jeff made a somewhat condescending remark towards the Norman saddle, which prompted a response by the maker. Quite often it seems that when someone disagrees with him he refuses to respond until the matter is resolved and quits posting under that particular topic. Could you explain why this is so?
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Brenna
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posted 07-04-2001 11:15 PM
Well, he's the moderator so if he wants to censor things that bother him, that is entirely up to him.It's also up to him to see if he answers your questions. Brenna -------------------- Where in this world can man find nobility without pride, friendship without envy, beauty without vanity? Here, where grace is laced with muscle, and strength by gentleness confined. He serves without servility; he has fought without enmity. There is nothing so powerful, nothing less violent; there is nothing so quick, nothing so patient. England's past has been borne on his back. All our history is his industry: we are his heirs, he is our inheritance. Ladies and gentlemen: The Horse! - Robert Duncan's "Tribute to the Horse"
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Fire Stryker
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posted 07-04-2001 11:48 PM
1) Deleting posts are left up to the individual who posted or the thread initiator. We ask that you refrain from doing so as in many cases members have spent time and effort giving well researched responses.2) Moderators and Admin have the right to "edit" or delete posts that do not contribute to the topic. It is a matter of threads going completely off topic to the level that they serve no purpose and stagnate. If neither party is listening to what the other is saying...there is no discussion or debate, just the same argument being regurgiated ad nauseum. If you have an issue with this the Administrator asks you kindly to take it off board. Fire Stryker -------------------- ad finem fidelis
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Seigneur de Leon
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posted 07-05-2001 12:49 AM
Sorry Erik, that wasn't the saddle I had in mind. Although if I can sell my butted maille, I am going to be contacting them for a matching gambeson/coif/chausses. I LIKE their stuff, but I am going to try a wooden Norman saddle, MacClellen-style tree, with a carved wooden "up, forward, down" type pommel, with reversed cantle, as shown in the Crusader/Osprey books. I make no pretenses that I can attempt some of the other saddles shown here in the deleted thread.
I didn't find the saddle Brenna posted, but her link is to a large amount of pictures. I did find the same saddle, front-on, with a structurally fatal split in the pommel. I wish I knew how to post pictures. It appears to be ash, with the grain running vertically. I suppose I should ask my questions in a different venue, where people are experienced in saddle-making, and more interested in helping.-------------------- VERITAS IN INTIMO
VIRES IN LACERTU
SIMPLICITAS IN EXPRESSO
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Gwen
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posted 07-05-2001 01:47 AM
Maybe the Regia Anglorum folks can help you make a saddle that's appropriate for participation with them? From what you've said here and elsewhere they seem to be a wealth of information- maybe they have some info available on saddles?Additionally, I know there are several SCA sites that list modifications that make modern saddles look more medieval. Here are a few that you might find useful:
http://ilaria.veltri.tripod.com/
http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Meadows/4563/SCAhorses.html (this one has a list of links for equipment suppliers, including saddle trees that can be modified) Actually, if you do a search for "SCA + equestrian + saddles" a whole page of links will come up. Hope this helps- Gwen
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Seigneur de Leon
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posted 07-05-2001 02:22 AM
It's NOT the saddle that makes the horseman. It is the TIME IN THE SADDLE. You are deluding only yourself.p.s... Thanks for the links, I shall peruse them at length. [ 07-05-2001: Message edited by: Seigneur de Leon ] -------------------- VERITAS IN INTIMO
VIRES IN LACERTU
SIMPLICITAS IN EXPRESSO
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chef de chambre
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posted 07-05-2001 07:27 AM
Jeff Fulton,Before this gets out of hand - for some reason, over the past week, when Gwen posts it shows up four or five times in the body of the topic. This is a technical glitch, and Jenn has been deleting the excess posting. Look under "Horse training ptIII", and see what I mean. -------------------- Bob R.
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Brenna
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posted 07-05-2001 09:09 AM
Seigneur,
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I did find the same saddle, front-on, with a structurally fatal split in the pommel. I wish I knew how to post pictures. It appears to be ash, with the grain running vertically.
The wood was oak, and it had been carved by the same gentleman who constructed the Roman Four Horn saddle that is pictureed at the same location. The split occurred while the saddle owner was in the saddle, striking a quintain. She advised me that she was not sure whether it was a fault with the wood type or something she had done in finishing the construction of the saddle. The man who made the tree did not have anything else to do with the construction. He has constructed a variety of other saddles as well, I will glad to supply you with his contact info if you like. He does a wonderful correct portrayel of Romanized Celt warrior from the 4th century. Brenna -------------------- Where in this world can man find nobility without pride, friendship without envy, beauty without vanity? Here, where grace is laced with muscle, and strength by gentleness confined. He serves without servility; he has fought without enmity. There is nothing so powerful, nothing less violent; there is nothing so quick, nothing so patient. England's past has been borne on his back. All our history is his industry: we are his heirs, he is our inheritance. Ladies and gentlemen: The Horse! - Robert Duncan's "Tribute to the Horse"
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Fire Stryker
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posted 07-05-2001 09:59 AM
Pardon the Off topic intrusion: quote:
I wish I knew how to post pictures.
To the left of the response field under the MESSAGE heading is a link UBB Code is Enabled. Click on it. It gives you the proper syntax for posting pictures. However, if you are utilizing a "free site" the picture links will break (Xoom, Anglefire, and others are notorious for this, then again you get what you pay for  ). I suggest using the URL tags instead of the IMG tags. Remember HTML isn't enabled so you can't bracket with < or > characters. They must be [ or ] brackets. Regards, Fire Stryker We now return you to our regulary scheduled topic. Though I suggest starting a new thread as this has nothing to do with the missing thread and sounds more like a saddle construction thread.  Cheers. -------------------- ad finem fidelis
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NEIL G
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posted 08-09-2001 03:04 PM
Hi;If anybody is interested in norman saddles, I found a nice piece of evidence for them. It's a column capital from a french church dated from early c12th, now in the Louvre in Paris. The column depicts david and Goliath, with Goliath in full norman kit and leading his horse. The sculpture is three-quarter round and big enough and sufficiently well-carved that you can make out pretty much all the detail of the saddle, including girthing etc, and it's a lot clearer than most of the sources such as the Bayeux Tapestry. I took a couple of photos, but without flash - which the museum authorities don't permit - I don't know how well they'll come out. If they come out OK, I'll try to post them on this thread.
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