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Brenna
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posted 12-13-2000 01:54 PM     Profile for Brenna   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Greetings to everyone from a new forum member!

I have a question about lance construction. I am looking for suggestions about the most common types of wood corrently used. I am an SCA equestrian and under the current regulations of my kingdom, we can only use pultruded fiberglass or rattan which frankly, stinks. Hardwood lance consideration has been approved and I would like to make one that would pass with flying colors and be much more correct than what is currently used.

Any input, sources or ideas would be most helpful.
Brenna


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Friedrich
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posted 12-13-2000 02:59 PM     Profile for Friedrich   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
A good question!

A few I've talked to say they use #2 pine and carve it down for current full contact tournaments. (No scoring added.)

This might be a good question for the HorseGuild forum as well.

Anyone?


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Fire Stryker
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posted 12-13-2000 03:25 PM     Profile for Fire Stryker   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Glen K has a page in one of the other threads where he talks about this type of thing. He would be an excellent person to chat with as he actually jousts.

Glen, you got your ears on?


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Seigneur de Leon
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posted 12-13-2000 04:42 PM     Profile for Seigneur de Leon   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Ash was the choice for lances that weren't designed to break on contact. Ash has a lot of flex and give before it breaks. 1 1/2" oak dowel is what I use for jousting the quintain, but only because it is the only thing I can get in 8' lengths. The problem with oak is it can split, though mine hasn't after 4 years. Fir dowel stock, available in up to 16' sections 1 1/4" dia. is available everywhere. That is what I made my 12' tapered parade lance with. It started out as a 14'er, but all I could do is turn in circles because of the weight! (And I didn't even attempt to level it in motion.) Fir works great for breaking lances in one-on-one jousting, and I believe that is what Glen uses, but if the SCA lets you do that, we are joining your kingdom!!!!!

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Glen K
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posted 12-13-2000 06:42 PM     Profile for Glen K   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
10-4, good buddy.

Brenna: Here's the URL for a page I threw together on lances, I hope it is at least of some help:
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Cyprus/7530/Lance/

Now, as to how to build the shaped variety, I'm really not sure... If you want a really nice one the way to go might be to get a good woodworker; a REALLY good one could probably do it without a lathe. Groups I've seen who do this usually have a very few of these, with removable/replaceable ends for the "shatter effect" during passes without destroying what is a very labour-intensive product. If you're not doing actual contact passes, but instead are riding at the quintain, etc. a 'real' one would be a very nice investment indeed (one I intend to make one day as well ).

Now, if you're wanting to go for an earlier look, a straight pole with a metal vambrace would be fine. Any good armourer (actually, any mediocre one) should be able to make a basic vamplate for any size pole.

As for what we usually use in the joust troupe I'm in, it's **cough** closet rod **cough** with fancy vamplates put on it to make it more presentable. Obviously, these are available at Home Depot, Lowe's, etc. 10' to 12' seems to be the optimum length for us, though I've read sources putting them even longer, rarely shorter.

As always, what you want will ultimately depend on exactly what you plan on doing with it. If I can be of any further assistance, I'll do my best! Contact me via my personal email or here, where all can share!



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chef de chambre
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posted 12-13-2000 06:46 PM     Profile for chef de chambre   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Hi Brenna,

This much I am sure of regarding construction. The shaping would have been done with draw knives, and most medieval carpenters considered planes and small axes to be identical tools in use (roughing out the shape.

For an A&S project, I would go with ash.

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Brenna
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posted 12-14-2000 10:21 AM     Profile for Brenna   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Hello all and thank you for the pointers!

I have already looked at the Lance construction site, that's what prompted my posting. I am actually going for the earlier period look so the I don't think carving, etc will really come into it. When I ride in SCA Emprises, I ride as a 13th century squire (which I am in the SCA) OR for other types of competitions where we're not going for the high pageant look, I ride as a bad girl Cavalier in slops (which is actually my persona.)

The lance I currently use for emprises which we do quintain and mock knight jousting is a 10' pultruded fiberglass pole with an old trombone bell as a vamplate. I'm still waiting on the real one promised to me... Following the 10 ft rule, it doesn't look bad but the vibration after strikes is kind of weird and I'm having a hard time getting it properly counter-weighted. My horse LOVES quintain and getting him stopped before we hit a barrier while wrestling to get my lance back into the upright position gets REALLY intersting...

I'm looking for something a hair lighter and more easily counterweighted. Thanks for all the great suggestions, I will check out my dowling options.
Brenna


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Brenna
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posted 12-14-2000 10:24 AM     Profile for Brenna   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Oh, maybe I should add that I'm 5' tall so every lance I've used is twice my height so weight and counter weight is something of an issue.
Brenna

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hauptmann
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posted 12-14-2000 03:26 PM     Profile for hauptmann     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Brenna,

I doubt that a wooden lance will be any lighter, unless it it tapered from grip to point. When I practice quintain, I use an old SCA spear (ick) and it's lighter than any wood lance I've seen. Counter weighting is the key with any non-tapered lance.

JH


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Brenna
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posted 12-14-2000 03:28 PM     Profile for Brenna   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Hmmm,
Well, I guess I better head to the gym and work on more upper body strength...
Brenna

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