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Sir Lawrence d'Hastings
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posted 10-23-2006 06:30 AM     Profile for Sir Lawrence d'Hastings     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Until recently, people had made me believe wardrums did not exist in the west until about the 16th c. Usually you don't see them on battle depictions.

Last week I found this in the Maciejowski Bible:
http://www.medievaltymes.com/courtyard/images/maciejowski/leaf9/otm9vd.gif

On the right you see two men beating small drums. This miniature depicts the battle between the armies of the Israelites under Joshua, and their enemy Amalek. Amalek's soldiers seem to be equipped rather oldfashioned, with a glimpse of oriental skin.
I already heard that these drums were in origin Arabic, but my informer was surprised that they had been brought to the west as early as 1250.

Does anyone know more about drums and their use on the western battlefields?

Lawrence

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posted 10-23-2006 07:05 AM     Profile for Fire Stryker   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
They were used in Germany in the 15th century. It seems that typically horns were used in France and the Low Countries.

As to how they were employed, I think there's a thread on the forum somewhere that addresses this topic. I'll see if I can dig it up.

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posted 10-23-2006 12:04 PM     Profile for Fire Stryker   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
How field commands were delivered:
http://www.wolfeargent.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=4&t=000006

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posted 10-23-2006 12:05 PM     Profile for Fire Stryker   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
You will notice in that same image, that one side uses drums and the other has trumpets.

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Sir Lawrence d'Hastings
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posted 10-24-2006 04:51 AM     Profile for Sir Lawrence d'Hastings     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Indeed. As Joram suggested, I could read Verbruggens book once on this matter.
Thanks for this small effort.

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Laurens Johanss Lewe, Deventer Burgher


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Wolf Zerkowski
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posted 03-31-2007 03:36 AM     Profile for Wolf Zerkowski   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Hi all,
A beautiful example of the use of drums,
is „the black guard“ from Thomas Slentz.
This mercenary troop stepped 1497 into the service of the Danish king.

From the danish paylists and invoicebooks their exact number follows.
The troop consisted of 3983 men.

Of it were altogether 26 Drumer (named „Trommelschläger“) and 20 Piper.
Of it in the company of the leader 9 Drumer and 3 Piper.
In each individual company ever 1 Drumer and 1 Piper.

Interesting is also, which these musicians the double wages got.

Only one example, which clarifies, in late 15th Century drums ,or also military music, generally a large role played.

regards Wolf

Sources:
Georg Galster: Danske Middelalderlige Regenskaber, Kobenhagen 1944

Walther Lammers: Die Schlacht bei Hemmingstedt, Boyens & Co, 1953


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