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Keith Larson
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posted 01-04-2002 05:40 PM

I recently bought the Osprey book, "English Medieval Knight 1400-1500. In plate G, there is an exploded view showing the lames overlapping and rivited to each other both vertically and horizontally. Most actual pictures of birgandines I've seen show the armour laid out flat. This would seem to imply that the plates are not rivited to each other, as in the illustration, but are rivited to the covering material only. Has anyone had the opportunity to examine this point on an actual piece of armour? I'm planning on building my first brigandine later this spring and this would be quite usefull to know.

Keith Larson

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Keith Larson
AKA William Campion (SCA)
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chef de chambre
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posted 01-05-2002 09:36 AM

Hi Keith,

I haven't examined that particular brigandine in person, other than through a set of photographs provided by the RA. That said, I think it is one of the rare errors from Graham, as if this construction method were correct, you would end up with a solid, albeit built up breastplate. Then again, we could be interpreting Grahams painting incorrectly, and he could be just trying to show the overlay of plates and nails - not showing the actually nailed together. None of the actual fragments we have fondled are constructed in this fashion, rather the overlaping plates are not connected to each other, but the foundation itself. The plates do tend to overlap where the nails lie on the plates below however.

The two areas where plates are actually connected are the small plates of the collar, and the armpit. These thin plates are linked together and overlapped, and help define the edge of the brigandine.

Hope this helps.

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Bob R.

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Barrois
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Member # 273

posted 01-29-2002 11:58 AM

HELLO my name is Alain-Gilles Chaussat.
I am french.
I do not well speak English
But I believe that to look for you some documentation on brigandine
I have just just commanded a brigandine to an artisant francais.

he makes the brigandine with the searches announced Antoine lelosse of the company " Lys et Lion ". "Lys et Lion" is one of best company francaises. http://perso.wanadoo.fr/lyslion.1462

Antoine lelosse wrote an article in " medieval history ", a French newspaper.
You can maybe command this magazine. Here is the internet address of the newspaper: http://www.harnois.fr/hm/index.html

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chef de chambre
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posted 01-29-2002 05:10 PM

Merci Beaucoup Barrois!

I look forward to reading the article. Welcome to FireStryker!

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Bob R.

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NEIL G
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Member # 187

posted 01-31-2002 07:52 AM

Looking at actual items in the Royal Armouries, they are apparently rivetted only to the fabric, not to each other, which accords with what I'd always understood.

As always, that's still generalising from a very small number of surviving examples, and other things may have been done, too!

Neil

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