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Dustin Sanders
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posted 04-14-2006 10:27 AM

Hi, I just recently bought a working replica of a 15th century handgonne. I have spent hours upon hours online and in the library trying to find out the way the gunners carried their powder back in the early 1400's. Everywhere I look either skips the part about loading the powder and goes straight to how they fired the gun, or shows drawings but with the gunner turned so I can't see his bag or anything else he might be carrying. Does anyone know the answer to this, and if so, can you show me where to find the documentation? Thanks a bunch
--Dustin Sanders

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chef de chambre
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posted 04-14-2006 10:50 AM

Hi Dustin,

There is an online site covering early firearms, that importantly has posted many images of the day showing handgunners in action. I believe they cover it on that site, but unfortunately I am not working on my home computer, and I have no bookmarks here to find a link for you. I think the site has been linked on FireStryker before, and you might find it by searching for the topic.

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posted 04-14-2006 12:22 PM

Dustin, click the search link at the top and search on "Handgonnes", I think three topics will show and there are quite few links. I don't know if the one that Chef mentions is amongst them, but it's definitely worth a shot.

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Knechte de Freiheit
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posted 04-14-2006 11:42 PM

Yeap http://www.handgonnes.com/ look there may help.

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Dustin Sanders
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posted 04-15-2006 10:14 AM

Hey, thanks for all the advice so far. I searched the site for links on handgonnes, but wasn't able to find anything I haven't already seen. I've also been to handgonnes.com. Great sites, but still none of them tell me if it was a horn or a flask or what. :-( But again, thanks for the help thus far.

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Knechte de Freiheit
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posted 04-15-2006 03:13 PM

I know it's later but justed looked at my

osprey 145 the war of the roses Plate E1 by G.A. Embletom and texy by Terence Wise has burgundian handgunner with a power gourd & bullet pouch.
May B that will help

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Knechte de Freiheit
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posted 04-15-2006 03:21 PM

Hay your in Va Bch

I'm from there.
check here http://www.companie-of-st-george.ch/dragons_1.phtml I think it the group Embleton in swissland they do Gunns alot... good luck

No wate no info there just looked oh well can't help you on 15c. handgoons not bag of stuff ask me Longbows I'm in to that and 18-21c. Guns too.

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Olivier de Graharz
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posted 04-22-2006 06:53 PM

Yes, from a burgundian manuscript of 1458 (at the departemental archives of the North at Lille in France, cote 3516) we find that :

each handgun has a "torcays"(bag) with a "bluchotois"(measure for black powder) made of tin-plate, a mould in white stone for the "plommets" (bullets) cast and a "estampe"(loader) in iron.

Olivier of LEGIO BURGUNDIAE 1467-1477 opeetroons@msn.com

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Dustin Sanders
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posted 04-22-2006 09:38 PM

Wow, exactly what i needed. Is there a web address for that information so I can print it out? Thanks so much:-)

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Olivier de Graharz
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posted 04-23-2006 05:01 AM

Yes, you can find it at the site of the national biblioteque of France (Bnf), GALLICA. It it extract from a online-book : "L'artillerie bourguignonne � la bataille de Monthl�ry" from Jules Finot that include some translated manuscripts (with their origin).

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Dustin Sanders
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posted 04-23-2006 12:35 PM

Would you be able to post the URL of the page? I found gallica, but can't read french. :-(

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Olivier de Graharz
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posted 04-23-2006 07:58 PM

The URL for the online book is :

http://visualiseur.bnf.fr/Visualiseur?Destination=Gallica&O=NUMM-66988

The page for the information is p.15

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Dustin Sanders
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posted 04-23-2006 09:50 PM

Ah, thanks, got it. I didn't see that I could turn the page. Thank you so very much. :-)

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