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smegger
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posted 08-19-2005 05:04 PM

Hi All,
i was wondering if anybody could tell me how many different types of visors there are in the 14th century 1350 -1400 period .As houndskulls amd klappvisors seem to be the main ones . I'm looking for something completely different.
Cheers smegger

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Doug Strong
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posted 08-30-2005 01:09 PM

Terminology varies quite a bit here so I will explain what I mean by each term.

Essentially the visors range from shallowly rounded to slightly pointed to very pointed.
These would be the so-called "round face" and the "blunted pig face" and the "international pig face."
These can all be hinged on the sides (side pivot mechanism) or hinged above the brow (klappvisier mechanism).
There does seem to be some slight artistic evidence for the grill face though it is weak and there are some obscure references in art to nearly flat visors and almost frog-mouthed visors early in the range you cited. There are also two surviving visors that are shaped like a lollypop. They are shallowly rounded and have a rounded upper portion with a thinner stem-like lower portion. It would appear that these were designed to cover a helmet with forward projecting cheeks. Both of these visors are dated to 1350 but I cannot find any similar ones in art from the period so I do not know upon what basis those dates were assigned.

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damien
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posted 08-30-2005 06:35 PM

I think the lolipop visor is the one he is after! I have seen one bad photo of a similar one in the Stibbert Collection and a few manuscript images that may be showing a similar thing. Can anyone suggest a source where we could find an image of these visors?

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Thomas james hayman
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posted 08-31-2005 03:31 AM

I have an image of such a visor in one of my catalogues, though copyright prevents from copying. I'll copy the text though if anyone needs it.

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damien
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posted 09-05-2005 08:26 PM

I cannot see how copyright would apply in this case as far as I can see it is fair usage, a small percentage of the original book and it is not for resale. Any copyright if it did exist would rest with the photographer who took the image not with the publisher of the book and even then it is debateable that a documentary image of another�s original work could be considered copyright at all as at least according to a recent decision by the US supreme court held that a museum did not have the copyright on artworks in their possession as they were the custodians of the work not the originators of it. In fact if anything is copyright it would be the descriptive text as it is an original academic work!

Anyway it�s up to you whether you feel right posting the image as it is a personal choice and this is not designed to pressure you.
Cheers
Damien
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Thomas james hayman
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posted 09-12-2005 04:00 AM

Well copyright or not my scanner went down when my computer died and i'm having trouble finding the software i need for it (i'm at school at the minute in my free period :-) ). I trust the publisher so i'll put it up when i get my machine back from the abyss that is me trying to repair it :-).

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damien
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posted 09-12-2005 07:30 PM

I'm touched- the first time anyone has said that they would trust a publisher!
The image you have -is it the one in the Stibbert Collection in Florence?
When I get a chance I will go through my image files at home as I have a coupler of MS pics that may well depict such a visor.
montjoie
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smegger
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posted 09-30-2005 02:44 AM

Hi All,
Just like to thank everybody for there input, if there any documentation it would be very much appreciated.

Cheers Smegger

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smegger
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posted 09-30-2005 02:47 AM

Hi Damien,
you say you have ms picture im very intrigued. do you know where it is ? i bet its on a disc somewhere.

Cheers smegger

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