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Mike
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posted 03-24-2005 11:55 AM     Profile for Mike     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
http://www.norfolkchurches.co.uk/eastharling/images/Dscf6454.jpg

I noticed the above whilst browsing through a website on Norfolk churches. The guy on the left of the window has what looks like lamellar or scale armour with large rivets and either leather or metal plates overlapping.

I've seen greco-roman illustraions of similar armours, but was unaware of it's use into the 15th C, especially England??

Any thoughts?


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dsj
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posted 03-24-2005 08:35 PM     Profile for dsj     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
could have been a jack exposed.
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chef de chambre
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posted 03-25-2005 11:03 AM     Profile for chef de chambre   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Hi Mike,

In this case, I think it is an attempt to portray the armour of antiquity by the artist, rather than actually depict English armour in current use. Yes, many of the bits of armour in the window are contemporary, but this clearly is not.

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dsj
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posted 03-25-2005 01:15 PM     Profile for dsj     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
It still could have been a jack without it's fabric to show that the soldier has armour. Or else it just looks like a vest and will seem like that the soldier is unarmoured.
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posted 03-25-2005 03:29 PM     Profile for chef de chambre   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Hi DSJ,

Are you aware of any jacks with that form of construction? I am unfamiliar with any sort of jack construction (internal or otherwise) with that sort of constructiion, illustrated, or described as jacks or 'doblets of fense'. If you are aware of a description of jacks being manufactured like that, I would be genuinely very interested in seeing and learning about them.

One question, since jacks were perhaps the most common form of infantry armour in the early 15th century, why would the artist have to remove the cover to indicate the soldier was armoured, since men would be very familiar with what jacks looked like?

Just askin...

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Bob R.


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dsj
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posted 03-25-2005 04:03 PM     Profile for dsj     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
In the blair claude book the illustrations at the back showed the scales of the jack and it looked liked the one on the picture. With out showing the scales the thing could look like a padded cotton vest.

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