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Topic: Great Basinet?
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lionsquire
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posted 01-18-2005 09:37 AM
   
After seeing the stunning piece that Jeffery Hedgecock posted a little while back, I went out and did a little web-surfing on the subject. I found this rather odd looking specimen:
http://www.living-history.no/SHHG.html Personally, I have never seen a helm of this style with that visor on it before, anybody have any thoughts on the subject? I tried doing a cursory search of the web sit of the museum they reference, but I couldn't find anything helpful:
http://www.invalides.org/pages/menu.html Supposedly, the piece is dated 1380-1400, which would be good for me. I'm doing 1390 with my group and I like the idea of a jousting helm that gives the level of protection and kneck support that the Great Basinets seem to supply. Any thoughts on the subject? Thanks
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Fire Stryker
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posted 01-18-2005 01:23 PM
The web site seems to be lacking a search function which would allow you to search the collection, which is probably why you haven't had much luck finding this particular basinet. The fact that it is in French doesn't help if you are unfamiliar with the language. I did a quick search through the pages wihtout success. I think this form of basinet is proper for the time, but XIVe century is not my area of study. Perhaps one of the folks more interested in the area will chime in. Cheers -------------------- ad finem fidelis
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Fire Stryker
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posted 01-18-2005 01:27 PM
This is one that surprising is still up from the other thread.Bascinet -------------------- ad finem fidelis
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Erik Schmidt
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posted 01-18-2005 05:40 PM
Hi Dominic,The helm in question does indeed appear to exist. Most extant great bascinets have the rounded visor, but I have an unreferenced line drawing of one with a pigface visor. This linedrawing looks identical to the reproduction you link to and the reference they give for the musee d l'Armee in Paris is very likely correct. As to the date, I haven't seen anything that early in art of the period. I personally would be inclined to place it 20 years later, c.1400-1420. Erik [ 01-18-2005: Message edited by: Erik Schmidt ]
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Erik Schmidt
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posted 01-20-2005 09:06 PM
From my research I am starting to think that the frogmouth helm had developed in an early form by the 1390's, but other than that the greathelm was certainly still in use, now often with an additional plate reinforce added to the front. The Prankh helm from Vienna is a good example.In regard to safety, there are others who joust, so you may want to ask them. In preventing your nose and faceplate from trying to mate, I would suggest that this has more to do with the suspension inside the helm than the helm itself. By the later 14th century, we see lacing holes in the surface of the helm, suggesting that they had already changed to the style of suspension that we see on the 15th and 16th century jousting helms. Erik
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While I agree that the traditional hundskull basinet (as you posted) is clearly within the 1390 window, I have yet to find any evidence that one with those types of back and gourget plates existing. Granted, my research has beep pretty weak, so I could be wrong.
