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Edric
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posted 07-20-2004 10:59 AM     Profile for Edric     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
So I have gotten Patrick Thaden to make me some fittings for a longsword belt.

This is what I have:
3/4 spec. buckle and strap end
6 rosette mounts with rivets and burrs
all in steel

I have a question on the attachment of the buckle. Would it be appropriate to sew the buckle on?

This is the sort of arrangement I am looking at:

John de la Pole, Duke of Suffolk (d.1491) http://www.gothiceye.com/pictures.asp?categoryID=3&offset=126


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Woodcrafter
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posted 07-20-2004 01:04 PM     Profile for Woodcrafter   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Edric, though it is possible to just sew the buckle on, I would advise against it. If you can afford a sword, then you could afford a proper buckle plate. I am sure Patrick Thaden can make one up for you. To give you an idea of what I mean, here are some good examples.

Buckles with plates

Now buckles on spurs in the 14thc had a hook built into the buckle in most cases. Also in the above site, you will see the first buckle is a zomorphic, which is designed to be riveted directly to the belt. Another type of buckle is the forked spacer. It too is on that page (making it a great visual reference page) but that is a wealthy persons buckle for sure. So there are a variety of ways of attaching a buckle, including sewing it, but buckle plates would be the most common.

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14th c. Woodworking


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Edric
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posted 07-21-2004 09:33 AM     Profile for Edric     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
If you can afford a sword, then you could afford a proper buckle plate.

Good point.


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Edric
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posted 07-21-2004 09:57 AM     Profile for Edric     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Well, I just got an email back from Patrick and it turns out he was one step ahead of me and had already included the buckle plate.

He is going to send me some pictures of everything tonight and I'll post them here.


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Edric
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posted 07-21-2004 08:32 PM     Profile for Edric     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Here is a pic. I have the option of brass or steel rivits.

Opinions? Facts?
http://www.edricsrose.com/unusedpics/beltfittings01.jpg


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Woodcrafter
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posted 07-22-2004 11:02 AM     Profile for Woodcrafter   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Well my opinion is that I would go with all steel rivets.

There are surviving pieces with mixed metals or materials. But normally from repairs. A woodworker with a ready supply of Poplar boards, would replace the lid of an Oak chest with one made of Poplar. So if you have iron fittings and iron belt mounts, then replacing one belt mount with brass or pewter one would be very acceptable.

The pictured belt mounts look very nice indeed! Please post a pic of the finished belt!

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Edric
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posted 07-22-2004 11:34 AM     Profile for Edric     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I got the idea from a rivet he did for an infantry breastplate he did for me:
http://www.edricsrose.com/unusedpics/Patrick/P5080027.jpg

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