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Lord Thomas the Black
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posted 06-11-2003 11:26 AM     Profile for Lord Thomas the Black     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I Hope someone here can help me. I've seen these rings in a piece of maille pictured
in "TOMAR", as well as in "The Armoury at the Castle of Churburg". They're brass rings cast (or stamped) with the maker's name and sometimes with the name of the town where the maille was made. There were also "ave maria" rings made the same way, but woven into the maille at the armpit of the hauberks. My questions are these: both instances of doumentation I've found on these are German-manufactured maille, so is this a strictly German thing to do? Were these signature rings used in other countries as well? Where else is there documented signature rings in maille (sources)? Please help, as this is for an upcoming project. Thanks!

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chef de chambre
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posted 06-11-2003 06:04 PM     Profile for chef de chambre   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Hi Thomas,

I believe it largely depends on where the mail was manufactured, or where it was stored. Nuremburg had very strict rules regarding makers marks and crafts guilds (and it produced a lot of mail), which is why you find many makers marks/links with the notation for the town on them - we have a fragment in the Higgins with a similar mark from Nuremburg, but a different maker, late 15th century.

I have seen Russian mail with lead globs/circles pressed around a link, with an eagle mark - I believe these are arsenal marks. I believe it very likely Italian mail had makers links or some marks, given most Italian plate armour was marked. Talismanic marks apparently go in and out of fashion, much like the engraved or pontille work scripture on 14h & 15th century plate armour. A lot of Western European armour (not German or Italian) has no apparent makers marks, although some carry marks of towns or arsenals. Some cities and towns regulated any armour sold in the town should be inspected, and stamped with the town mark before sale of the item was allowed.

I don't think anyone can give you a definitive answer yet (and not be bullshitting you), as the study of mail is truely in it's infancy. It should encourage you to know however that with the research being done on the cutting edge, there seems to be disinct regional characteristics to some mail. I am sure more will be revealed in the future.

[edited because we need a new keyboard that doesn't constantly drop the 'T's.]

[ 06-12-2003: Message edited by: Fire Stryker ]

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Gobae
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posted 06-12-2003 09:16 AM     Profile for Gobae   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Here is a picture of some signed rings in "middle eastern" mail.

I can't read arabic or its related subsets, so I don't what it says. It's currently on display at the Higgins Armour Museum in Worchester, MA USA.
http://www.oakandacorn.com/images/chainmail.jpg

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Reisläufer
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posted 06-12-2003 06:23 PM     Profile for Reisläufer     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
The Arabic maille probly has either Surahs from the Qur'an or possibly Sunnahs of the Profit, hard to tell by the pic. I've a low end monitor so it looks more like a floral motif to me.
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